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21st November, 2018: Masculinity in the Workplace
It was International Men's Day on Monday and to mark the occasion our Client Director and Coach, Derek, attended ‘Masculinity in the workplace’, an event curated by HeANDShe (an initiative from The Hobbs Consultancy) and Token Man (a Utopia initiative). It was held at the very slick offices of Havas Media Group based in Pancras Square, London.
15th November, 2018: Masculinity in the Workplace video
Paternity Coach, Tom Beardshaw, and Executive Coach, Roxanne Hobbs, discuss Masculinity in the Workplace, how understanding the history of gender roles is important to move forward and break the current structures, and how unconscious bias plays such a factor in how circumstances fold out - segueing into what true co-parenting actually looks like..
6th November, 2018: Inclusive Leadership
The Hobbs Consultancy are excited to announce that we have now opened up our flagship Inclusive Leadership training programme, now available as a cross industry leadership learning experience.
On January 9th 2019 our cohort will kick start their new year with a four month transformative Inclusive Leadership programme.
19th October, 2018: Upcoming Events
The lineup for the masculinity in the workplace conference just got even more exciting. We are happy to confirm that Sophie Walker, leader of the Women's Equality Party, will be joining our panel of speakers.
15th October, 2018: The TokenMan: CDM's Phil Bartlett on his experience at Omniwomen and workplace equality
Ahead of its event exploring the issue of toxic masculinity in the marketing sector, The Token Man interview series returns with Roxanne Hobbs, founder of the Hobbs Consultancy and #HeANDShe, interviewing Phil Bartlett, managing director at CDM, part of the Omnicom Group.
Roxanne Hobbs (RH): Why do you think we’ve ended up talking to each other today?
10th October, 2018: Mental Health - From Taboo to Me Too
Today is World Mental Health Day – a day for global mental health education, awareness and advocacy against social stigma. Despite thousands of mental health campaigners and charities doing incredible work – neurophobia – the fear, judgement and discrimination of people with poor mental health still exists.
Here at the Hobbs Consultancy we want to play our part to ensure businesses recognise just how wrong it is to judge the individuals who are suffering and struggling and how damaging it is to those individuals, and the workplaces they are part of, to make generalised assumptions about mental illness and poor mental health.
1st October, 2018: How unconscious bias means that we get in our own way
Are women's own unconscious biases stopping them from pursuing what they truly want in their lives?
Businesses are certainly beginning to understand how unconscious bias means that some groups of people may have to ‘jump higher’ for certain roles within their companies. What is talked about less is another, more internalised, form of bias.
The impact of this bias is that individuals may find that they themselves unconsciously get in their own way of success.
25th September, 2018: Masculinity in the Workplace guest blog for Virgin.com
Unconscious bias training is becoming a fixture of many big businesses. Organisations are seeking to understand how people are systemically excluded in our decision making due to the unconscious associations that we may hold about certain groups.
25th September, 2018: Hello from National Inclusion Week
Welcome to National Inclusion Week. We've been doing this work for 5 years now and whilst the topics up for discussion change over time, at a corporate, familial and country level as we learn and evolve together, it's ever more pertinent. This year I'm in Kuala Lumpur facilitating a programme for ECC and really noticing the commonalities of the challenges we face in the workplace.
25th July, 2018: Unconscious Bias - What happens next?
If you’ve taken our Diversity 3.0 and Unconscious Bias training you’re probably feeling like a whole new world of opportunity has just opened up in front of you, and while the learnings feel powerful and purpose led, it’s possible you’re also feeling daunted by what to do next.
18th June, 2018: Happy Autistic Pride Day!
Autistic Pride Day, an Aspies for Freedom initiative, is a celebration of the neurodiversity of people on the autism spectrum on 18 June each year. Autistic pride recognises the innate potential in all people, including those on the autism spectrum.
To mark this day, we have invited Julian Tooke (Co-Chair of &PROUD at Dentsu Aegis Network), who spoke eloquently and passionately at our DiverseMinds event, to share his reflections on the history of the Pride movement.
16th May, 2018: Stay Mentally Healthy - Watch Out For Exclusion Related Stress
This Last year one of our team had somebody they love end up in a psychiatric ward after attempting to take their own life. With mental health, it's not always possible to pinpoint one particular cause; although they believe exclusion was one of the main contributing factors in this case, that was then triggered by another to push them finally over their edge into a suicidal psychotic breakdown.
17th April, 2018: BIMA 100 2018
The Hobbs Consultancy are delighted to announce that Roxanne has been listed in this years BIMA 100 which honours individuals who are shaping the future of Britain’s digital industry. Recognised in the ‘Champions for Good’ category for those who have utilised their professional skills or resources to achieve social good.
27th March, 2018: Understanding The Challenge We Face: Part 3 - AUTISM
This week is Worldwide Autism Awareness week. I'm putting marbles in the marble jar* by visiting R/GA, BBH and Mediacom to talk them through my own personal journey from my son getting diagnosed with autism through to being an active champion of Neurodiversity in the workplace.
14th March, 2018: #DiverseMinds Conference
'Stop defining people by what they can't do': 5 takeaways from #DiverseMinds. Neurodiversity may be the most invisible diversity dilemma facing the industry but it is nonetheless urgent. Expecting the workforce to conform to one definition of normal is not only hindering progress on diversity, it is stifling creativity and having a negative impact on business outcomes.
7th March, 2018: #DiverseMinds Conference
On Thursday 1st March 2018, the UK struggled with temperatures hitting sub zero and lots of snow. Transport all over London and the whole country faced chaos and disruption. Schools were closed, many were snowed in, with some left stranded. The MET Office sent out weather warnings advising us not travel. Despite all of the snow and challenges getting in and out of London, 130 people attended #DiverseMinds, our joint conference with Creative Equals held at the IAB (Internet Advertising Bureau) London offices.
1st March, 2018: DIVERTED
March 1st, as well as being the date of our #diverseminds conference with Creative Equals, is the launch date of my book DIVERTED. I have written this book to chart my experience over the past year - from being blindsided when my son's teacher suggested he might have autism (when it wasn't a thought that had even crossed my mind) through to being a champion of neurodiversity in the workplace.
22nd February, 2018: How Embracing Vulnerability can Power Innovation, Creativity and Change
From Jackson Pollock’s drip paintings illustrating his internal rage to Adele’s breakup album 21, time and again people connect with work that reveals something about an artist’s soul. But most of us spend our lives trying to avoid being this exposed, thanks to a pervasive belief that vulnerability equals weakness.
7th February, 2018: The Hidden Neurodiversity Toll in our Industry
Last year I was completed blindsided when we were told that my child has autism. Suddenly life at home became much, much harder. And life at work became much more complicated. I was ashamed that I had spent seven years championing diversity and had not mentioned neurodiversity once. This has now changed and we are, along with Creative Equals and Campaign, hosting the industry's first #diverseminds conference on 1 March.
6th February, 2018: Understanding The Challenge We Face: Part 2 - GENDER
I’m feeling increasingly conflicted talking about gender diversity. Clearly there is still a huge job to do. And yet we are focusing so much attention on this issue, arguably one of the ‘easier’ to solve, that we miss out on other important conversations.
19th January, 2018: The Truth Behind The IPA's Diversity Survey
Last week's IPA Diversity Survey laid bare how far the industry is behind where it should be. The numbers of women moving up to senior leadership has moved by 0.6%. Overall, the BAME figures have moved by 0.7%. This is despite a year of articles, panels, discussion groups and diversity conferences.
18th January, 2018: Understanding The Challenge We Face: Part 1 - ETHNICITY
A belated happy new year! The Hobbs Consultancy wish you all a fulfilling year ahead in which you contribute to the change you want to see in the world. We start 2018 with a great indicator of where we are thanks to the IPA and Campaign. The good news is that 131 agencies took part in this year's Diversity survey (Campaign and IPA) showing greater engagement and transparency in the D&I agenda.
21st December, 2017: Transforming The Workplace via Inclusivity Podcast
Are you able to be your true self at work? Imagine the benefits to you and the business if you could. In this episode I caught up with Roxanne Hobbs, the founder of The Hobbs Consultancy. She is on a mission to transform the workplace via inclusivity so that people can show up as themselves.
12th December, 2017: In Gratitude For 2017
Wow! What a year we have had at The Hobbs Consultancy.
We want to thank you for all of your support. And before we hurtle in to 2018, pause for a moment and reflect on what we have achieved. Indeed, associate coach Lisa suggests, we take time for “a simple check in and appreciation: what went well this year, and what do I want more or less of next year?”.
29th November, 2017: Neurodiversity ConferenceSave the Date!
Save the date for the industry's first Neurodiversity Conference - organised by The Hobbs Consultancy and Creative Equals.
How do we unlock the power of divergent thinkers in the workplace? What are the barriers those with aspergers, autism, dyslexia, dyspraxia and more face when it comes to recruitment? And how do we create welcoming workspaces where different types of brains can thrive?
21st November, 2017: Gender Equality: Fathers in the Workplace
Much has been debated about gender equality, but the focus has always been on women and the impact that motherhood may have on their careers. What about the father and the challenges that they face? Gender equality organisations, HeANDShe together with Token Man hosted last week in London the workshop: 'Fathers in the workplace', to discuss how a shared responsibility can have an impact on their partners and ultimately gender equality.
15th November, 2017: Self-Care
This week is Self-Care Week, an annual national awareness week which focuses on embedding support for self-care with an aim to help you stay healthy. Practicing self-care is critical to our emotional and physical health. I always think of the announcement on the aeroplane to fit your own breathing mask before trying to help others.
9th November, 2017: Leadership and Emotional Intelligence
"There's been enough talking about what we're going to do to create more diversity and inclusion in our industry. It's time to start doing. Here are The Hobbs Consultancy's 5 things that you can do RIGHT NOW."
3rd November, 2017: Leadership and Emotional Intelligence
"The command-and-control style of leadership in agencies is fast becoming a relic of the Mad Men era, but what skills do the new generation of leaders possess in 2017? We explore the rise of emotional intelligence , vulnerability and resilience and how they are shaping the behaviour of those at the top."
25th October, 2017: Why Men Need To Get Involved In The Gender Equality Debate
"Men face struggles as a result of gender stereotypes as much as women do, but they are just different struggles. The may be making inauthentic career decisions because of expectations on them or they may be finding it hard to reach out about their struggle because our society says they need to be strong and it doesn't need to be this way."
4th October, 2017: Neurodiversity Breakfast Wrap Up
Well it's been an extremely busy National Inclusion week for all of us at The Hobbs Consultancy. I want to tell you about the Neurodiversity breakfast which we co-hosted with Creative Equals at Omnicom.
3rd October, 2017: How To Show Up As Your Authentic Self And Still Kick Ass
Authenticity is one of those buzz words on everybody’s lips at the moment and I sometimes wonder if we’re all talking about the same thing. I once went to a conference where people were encouraged to be ‘authentic – but not too authentic’, and I left feeling confused as to what we were actually encouraging people to do.
20th September, 2017: Why We (Still) Need To Talk About Neurodiversity (A Lot Louder)
Despite the industry's well-documented diversity drive, neurodiversity remains the elephant in the room and change is overdue. This June, Sam Phillips, Chief Marketing Officer at Omnicom Media Group UK, Managing Director OMG Ethnic and Assistant Dean of Omnicom University tackled diversity’s ‘elephant in the room’: neurodiversity. The response was overwhelming. The term defines a range of people who have difficulties with organisation, memory, concentration, time, direction, perception and sequencing.
15th August, 2017: Win a place at an authenticity workshop with Roxanne Hobbs!
This is a winners-only chance to explore what it means to live authentically. What is authenticity and how does it differ from blurting out the first thing on your mind? Come and learn the difference between self-monitoring and authenticity. How can you choose a more authentic life? How do you discover your purpose and values?..... For more info, how to enter and for our full T&Cs click here.
27th July, 2017: Neurodiversity starts at home
"In the Spring of this year, one of my children was diagnosed with High Functioning Autism. It has been a challenging time for our family and I’m sure the challenges will continue for some time yet. However, we’re definitely on the rising side of the change curve now – beginning to see the gifts and learnings in our situation. ..."
16th July, 2017: Startup Mums -Meet Roxanne Hobbs Founder of The Hobbs Consultancy
"The Hobbs Consultancy is transforming business with its learnings on the inclusivity of women in the workplace, and continues to develop and learn with its aim to promote neurodiversity. Here Roxanne shares her inspiring startup story. The Hobbs Consultancy is on a mission to transform business through inclusivity. We believe creating cultures in which people can show up as themselves, and be valued for that, can step change business. We believe that the world is changed through conversation and so offer coaching, facilitation and public speaking all with the aim of kickstarting those challenging conversations."
4th July, 2017: Digital Mums: empowering mums to access the skilled work they deserve
"I’m Natasha and I’m working with The Hobbs Consultancy for a few months as a ‘Digital Mum’. Digital Mums was founded by two incredible women who recognised that many skilled and intelligent mums are forced out of the workplace after having children; many jobs are not particularly flexible, even if the mother is offered a part-time role. The hours are often incompatible with childcare arrangements, and may typically require long commutes and / or evening overtime."
22nd June, 2017: HeANDShe: The Courage Required for Change
"Earlier this week, we hosted The Third Annual HeANDShe Conference at Mindshare. It was an awesome event that made me proud to work here. The evening opened with Jenny Healy, Chief Talent Officer, talking about ‘Being Human’ and our drive to provide audiences valuable experiences. Jenny introduced Roxanne Hobbs, founder of The Hobbs Consultancy, who spoke about: Holding Space; Shame; Vulnerability & Courage..."
22nd May 2017: Going back to work: How to make returning a successful transition
"Going back to work after time away can be a daunting experience. Whether you're two months out of a job, two years or two decades, the nerves, anticipation and anxiety related with the move to return can be overwhelming. But you're not alone. These feelings are totally normal. Going back to work can also be an incredibly exciting time, signalling change and a new chapter in your life. Here, our panel of experts share their advice and pool their years of experience to offer their top tips on going back to work, and how to make returning a successful - and hopefully enjoyable and exciting - transition."
18th May 2017: Shame in Organisations
"I’ve recently become convinced that it is not possible to talk about the Diversity and Inclusivity challenges we are facing in the workplace without a discussion about shame. And the biggest obstacle to tackling our D&I challenges may well be that no one wants to have this conversation. What is shame? Shame is best characterised as an inherent lack of worthiness and a feeling of somehow being inadequate. It is a toxic emotion leading not to behavioural change but instead to disconnection. And - we all have it. As human beings that are wired for connection with others, our greatest fear can only be that there is something about us that is somehow not worthy of that connection."
3rd May 2017: The unspoken impact of unconscious bias on men
Finally, the agency world seems to have woken up to the issue of unconscious bias as more and more agencies sign up for training. We are spending a lot of time talking about how we might unconsciously make it harder for certain groups to get recruited for certain roles, and for certain individuals to achieve promotion success.
8th February 2017: Inspiring AUTHENTICITY and VULNERABILITY in our leadership
"Time to reflect on intentions set at the start of the year & understand what’s holding you back from being your truest self. As we move into February, we pause to reflect on the intentions we set at the year and whether we feel we are embracing them or distracting ourselves with the drama of life. Are we holding ourselves back with limiting beliefs or learned behaviours? Can we bring the spotlight on these and drive ourselves forward to close the gap between the expectations we have of ourself and the reality?"
29th January 2017: My words for the year are COMMUNITY and INSPIRATION
"A belated happy new year!
This year, I’ve watched the usual New Year messages, resolutions and new starts being paraded around social media and felt strangely uninspired. I don’t want to make any huge changes to my life this year. I want to carry on making a difference in the workplace via inclusivity, continuing to work with inspiring people and ensuring I have enough time with my family.”
3rd November 2017: If Donald Trump is the best the US can offer, what's next for masculine leadership?
"Watching the car crash that is the US election 2016 play out has, at times, been shocking, frightening, unsurprising and downright fascinating. The question I keep coming back to is, ‘Why this? And why now?’. We are seeing a huge backlash against the establishment which is seen to be elitist and corrupt. Put simply, the status quo is not working for much of the population.
In America, men are more likely to be drawn to the rhetoric of Donald Trump. Nate Silver (the polling statistician) tells us that if only men were to vote this year, Trump would win every swing state and get 350 electoral votes (compared with Clinton’s 188)."
2nd November 2016: Fighting the culture of 'pro-bro': How can women in advertising be themselves at work?
“Too often, women are putting on a mask in order to survive the male-centric ad industry. But perhaps it’s time to take off the disguise to tackle the cult of ‘bro’. Elephant on Madison Avenue, the 3% Conference’s aptly named new research into the biggest problem in advertising today, highlights the hurdles faced by female talent as they take on institutionalized discrimination. Whether it’s being overlooked for opportunities because you’re not invited to boys’ golf days, being left out of meetings because you’re a mother, or putting up with sexist remarks from colleagues, superiors and even clients, it’s clear from the findings that women have the odds stacked against them."
29th September 2016: Diversity and Inclusivity Toolkit
"We have thought long and hard about the challenges involved in creating a diverse and inclusive workplace. It is not an easy ‘fix’ – if it was, businesses would have succeeded by now. These are what we see as the key challenges: We are operating from a place of unconscious incompetence We literally don’t know that there is another way. What we see happening around us is what we know, and it is difficult to grasp an alternative way of doing things, let alone the benefits that might bring. Despite strong research (research done by McKinsey), the business case remains largely intuitive and conceptual."
14th September 2016: The Gender Pay Gap
"There was a certain irony in seeing the headline that ‘more than a third of teenage girls suffer depression and anxiety’ on the same front page as updated data on the gender pay gap (in short - there still is one). (I wonder what it must be like to read the continual coverage about the pay gap, the casual sexism of the Olympic commentators, the constant trolling and victim blaming as an 18 year old girl? Pretty bloody depressing, I’d say.)
I read the pay gap coverage with an eye roll. Here we are again. At first I couldn’t even be bothered to comment on it. Creating systemic change in this arena is complex, painfully slow and full of people missing the point entirely."
8th September 2016: Maternity leave: What's not working and how to fix it
"Having a baby can bring about its fair set of challenges, but one that expectant mothers should not have to face is the threat of encountering discrimination in the workplace. At the end of August, maternity leave related discrimination made UK headlines after a major report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission estimated that around 54,000 women in the UK lose their job each year over a pregnancy, and that 77% of UK mothers surveyed felt they’d had a negative or discriminatory experience in telling their work they were pregnant."
11th July 2016: HeANDShe Conference Round Up
"On Tuesday 28th June, we hosted our first ever conference – HeANDShe – with a diverse panel of speakers from the worlds of neuroscience, mental health campaigning, media and advertising. Our intention was to discuss how to bring men along to the gender conversation, along with starting a debate about how men are also harmed by gender stereotypes. The evening brought thought-provoking conversation about how and why the panel would tackle harmful gender stereotypes. For those of you that couldn’t be there, here are some insights.”
20th June 2016: Self-Compassion
"Self-compassion is one of the most important modules in The Daring Way™ intensives that I run, and also a theme that comes up time and time again in my coaching with female leaders. Why is it that we sometimes speak to ourselves in a way that we wouldn’t dream of speaking to our friends, (let alone our enemies)? At its simplest, self-compassion is about treating yourself in a way that you would treat a close friend. What do you do when a close friend is struggling? You give them a hug maybe, let them know that you’re there for them, you might buy them a gift or show them some empathy.”
7th June 2016: The Hobbs Consultancy's view on The Great British Diversity Experiment
"I attended The Great British Diversity Experiment Report Launch on Wednesday 25th May at BBH London with over 250 fellow advertising folk. As you walked into the room, you could feel the nervous energy bubbling below the surface, what findings were in store for us… For those who don’t know what The Great British Diversity Experiment is, it’s the first diversity initiative conceived for, designed and launched by the communications industry. Over 20 teams of truly diverse individuals took part in an experiment, answering a brief from Tesco to attempt to solve problems of food wastage."
26th May 2016: Stop Making it about Gender
"How women are portrayed, considered and represented is currently on everyone’s agenda. In this guest post, Roxanne Hobbs and Flora Joll from Mullen Lowe London argue whether advertisers need to catch up with our changing culture. We are in a unique position in the advertising industry. Everyone is jostling to lead the discussion around equality and conscious that the views around gender are moving faster in culture than in advertising. Yet we are also in a unique position to influence the outcome as we create part of our cultural landscape through our creative output in the advertising that we make."
13th April 2016: Is Imposter Syndrome holding you back? Part 3
"Welcome to the third part of our Imposter Syndrome series. In part 1 we talked about what Imposter Syndrome is, the fact you’re in good company and its relationship with perfectionism. In part 2 we talked about how to move past Imposter Syndrome. In this final part of the series we talk about cultural shifts. How can we create workplace cultures in which it’s ok to be yourself? How do we help our people avoid feeling like they don’t belong or that they don’t deserve to be there? In short, how do we minimize feelings of fear or shame in the workplace, and instead cultivate creativity, innovation and empathy?"
7th April 2016: How to be Resilient
"This week we’d like to share a piece by one of our associate coaches – Hannah Massarella CPCC. ‘I’ve been talking to clients and partner organisations a lot lately about resilience. Resilience is about being able to ‘weather the storm’ in difficult times, resilience is about being able to continue with something that is highly challenging, without it impacting your wellbeing. Resilience is also about walking away from something that doesn’t serve you, and dealing with the fall out from making that choice."
22nd March 2016: Welcome to our first Conference: HeANDShe
"This year, I’m walking my ‘daring way’ talk, stepping in to the arena and organising The Hobbs Consultancy’s first ever conference. I do hope you will be able to join us. The conference is going to explore our thinking about gender from a completely fresh perspective – what if we could integrate rather than separate? This is a topic which informs how we consider our target audiences as advertisers and how we think about our employees as HR professionals and line managers."
29th February 2016: Is Imposter Syndrome Holding you back? Part 2
"Welcome to the second part of our Imposter Syndrome series. In this piece we discuss how you can be aware of these feelings, their associated behaviours and how to navigate it. Clearly, if you’re not showing up as yourself, if you are doubting your abilities and ‘holding yourself back’ then that could well be preventing you from stepping into leadership, from going for that promotion, maybe from simply speaking up in the workplace. And that, unfortunately, just keeps you stuck."
4th February 2016: Supporting Women Past Imposter Syndrome and into Leadership
"This article is part of our in-depth content series on women in the workplace - take a look at the full list of articles today and increase your knowledge of a range of issues relating to women in the workplace, including sickness absence, impostor syndrome and mental health. Advertisement Are you doing enough to support women into leadership positions in your company? If you’re not tackling imposter syndrome then the answer is probably ‘no’. Why? Because, it is something that impacts on women in the workplace more than men and hinders them from taking that step up into leadership."
28th January 2016: Is Imposter Syndrome Holding you back? Part 1
"Do you sometimes doubt your abilities and worry that you are not good enough? Do you feel inadequate even though what you have achieved suggests otherwise? If so then you could well be suffering from Imposter Syndrome. It’s something that has probably always been around but it was given a label in the 1970s to describe the phenomenon in which successful people cannot internalise, or ‘own’, their successes. It is experienced as a sense of inadequacy and ‘not enough’, even when information suggests this not to be true. And, interestingly, it is more likely to be experienced by women."
5th October 2015: Why we must stop framing inclusivity as a women's issue
"Progress on inclusivity and equality within organisations remains frustratingly slow. I believe a significant part of the problem is that we insist on framing it purely as a gender issue. Instead, I have recently started urging leaders to get behind the business case for a more inclusive working environment for everyone. The challenge is that focusing solely on women is actually the antithesis of inclusivity. Inclusivity is not about cherry-picking one group for success; it is about removing the barriers to success that exist for everybody."
28th July 2015: Going back to work: The difference between guilt and shame
"Today’s blog post is written by Roxanne Hobbs, founder and maternity coach at the Hobbs Consultancy. The Hobbs Consultancy offers maternity coaching to support mums in navigating the transition back to the workplace. Here, she explores the difference between guilt and shame that many mothers feel when going back to work after having children. When working as a maternity coach, supporting women in the transition back to work, one of the most common presenting issues is guilt. Women tell me how guilty they feel at leaving their children to go back to work, or how guilty they feel at leaving early (usually meaning ‘on time’) to get back for bathtime or, even, guilty that they don’t feel guilty!"
16th January 2014: Why mums feel guilt (and how to stop)
"When we speak to mums – whether they’re working flexibly, talented freelancers, or running their own businesses – one word seems to crop up a lot. And that’s guilt. Coach Roxanne Hobbs explains why we’re almost conditioned to feel guilty once we have children, and how you can banish your own guilt forever. Guilt seems like an inevitable part of being a mum. There’s always a list of things that we ought to be doing or ways in which we should be doing things differently. Our time is so stretched that we inevitably use short cuts to get by, and then beat ourselves up about it."
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